Wuh Yuh Say Podcast
Wuh Yuh Say Podcast

Episode 14 路 2 years ago



Join Myself and David Johnson, creator and face behind "Let's Unpack It", which is a safe place that talks about and deals with Mental Health. Have a look with the links below and check them out and support them as much as possible. I'll discuss anything given to me that may be a concern to persons today. Sooo.... LEAVE YOUR THOUGHTS AND QUESTIONS BELOW!!!! and maybe just maybe your topic will be in the next episode! 

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Hi, guys, are welcome back to yet another this is the first way stay episode podcast video for the year. So happy new year to everybody that's tuned in, whether it's this via audio and sounder or any others listening platforms, or if you're watching it on Youtube. Happy New Year to all of you guys. Today is going to be a very interesting one because I know that a lot of people are going through lockdown around the world right now, and I mean in barbarous we have our own the curfew. So it's like a mini feels to me, I like a mini lockdown. But today I'm going to be talking with somebody that has an instagram page that deals to specifically with mental health, and I know how important that really is. That is something that is talks boat constantly through my generation and it's something that a lot of people take very, very seriously, especially their love we're pages like this one. So not to hold you guys aren't for it on, not to make you guys hold on too long. Let's get straight into it. It's called let's UN pocket, so let's get straight into the episode. I'll hope you guys do enjoy this one. Subscribe as as normal. If you are listening, follow and comment down below in the description and why you think about mental health and turn the post notification bell. And I hope you guys do enjoy this episode. I already did the introduction already, so it's just a matter of fact of just introducing you. David, you as used as mean. Just a few seconds ago you told me that you're doing medicine, you're studying in Grenada, but your page is called LEX and packet. What was the firstly, I should already get into what was the idea and like the whole thought process of creating a page that is based around mental health really alsome so great question, and there are a lot of factors that pay into that. You know, from a very young age I was always someone who people came to for a lot of advice, who people felt comfortable with speaking to, and you know that happened a lot. Moving forward then, with all my social media pages, whether Instagram, snapchat, whatever, I try to put a lot of inspiring content, and so I used to do all of these. I the QA's on Instagram, and one of them in particular struck me. I was not asking people about how they do with stress and some of the responses that I got were a bit concerning and I had this custom with my friends and my friends were like, yeah, you need to go for this, you need to do something, and you know, I pondered on it for a little bit and then one day just decided enough was enough and I created this page and ever since then it's grown and I've welcome to a number of parts as well who were boosted and, you know, energize about both speaking about mental health and, you know, addressing all the issues that we face the society. So yeah, one year later, we're here. So I guess that we take definitely as people look up to you as a role model in the sense and somebody that, as you said, that somebody can talk to. So you obviously value and cherish mentally the importance of mental health. But in your opinion, amongst our generation, how important is it to be in check with your mental sight and how important is it for you to do the certain things to make sure that your mental health is good and not deteriorating because of me? I'll we're noting the pandemic and just don't not down. Some people are overseas, etc. Etc. So important is it for us to really be a check with them. Yeah, it's absolutely vital and for the exact reasons that you've mentioned. There are a lot of challenges that we, as young people face today and that's not, you know,... an injustice so what our parents, that are grandparents to have faced in their time. But the unfortunate thing, fortunate and unfortunate, we have social media now. We have a lot of other challenges in terms of that come out of that, in terms of cyberbullying, in terms of people trying to find their image, you know, finding their identity and hold. That all fits into to everything. I think mental health is extremely important, especially for our students. Know, they're under a lot more pressure and I think, you know, we're still in that kind of early phase. I mean it's not too long ago when our parents are maybe grandparents even. We're not affording the same opportunities that we had in terms of like furthering their education, further in their studies, and I think especially when it comes to education, when it comes to studying, a lot of people are under a lot of stress and they're facing a lot of anxiety, and what a lot of people don't know is that stress and anxiety and dealing with tiredness, having a good sleep schedule. These are all things that fit into the subject of mental health. So it's not that mental health is just about schizophrenia or depression by polar disorder. That's not the whole picture, and that's probably one thing that I would like for everyone to understand it so we can move forward as a society, is that mental health is much bigger than these things. So yeah, definitely, absolutely vital and it's it's address it. They're there're a lot of small things that we can do to, you know, just keep our mental health intact. Yeah, especially, I do agree with you on on that note, because it's about the things that me, especially you just say our home. You're just letting around all the time. You see in the same environment for such a long time, especially abomation. We had the lotdown. Yeah, it can capt I can if you kind of long and it just gets a bit boring. You know, you're not getting no says meet. You may go save any guard and or whatever it is, but you're not really experiencing and we as humans, we thrive off being social. Yeah, and we we if we need to communicate with people, and is one thing to say that you have social media, but it's not the same thing when you're literally having a laugh with your friends and playing a game, whatever it is. So I mean, and just to get away from that bit, you know how you have, as you said, you we've grown. You know how five hundred and sixty seven followers and you've interviewed on a number of people know that have been brave enough to come on and talk about themselves and their challenges. So as to this day, do you still receive messages, whether it's on your personal page or if it's on the lesson pocket instagram page, who come to you asking you for any advice what to do? And if they do come for any advice, why voice could you give to people that are listening or watching that? That's simple things that they can do to just help keep their mental their mental aspect in check and keep it you keep them saying really good so one disclaimer is that nobody on the team is a certified mental health professional as yet. So as much as possible we try not to give personal advice just for the sake of, you know, not preaching any ethical code and so on and so forth. But the one recommendation that I always make is to speak to someone. Yeah, you know, as a society of particulization, again, is this whole idea of strength, and we define strength in many different ways, but overwhelmingly we think that strength means that we have to go through things alone. And that's one thing that I want to debunk right at the outset, and that's that's not the definition of strength. In fact, I think someone who is strong will reach out to as many resources as they can to get the best possible outcome. So that's the one thing that I always say to people is to seek help as soon as possible, and help seeking can be from anyone. It could be you sitting on with a friend, it could be with you speaking to a guidance...

...counts, or it could be going to the therapist, it could be seeking a pharmacological means of getting treatment right. So that's one thing, but then beyond that is really checking in with oneself. Yeah, a lot of us have this love hate relationship with our feelings. We love when we're on a highly love when we're on the mountain talk, but there are there times when we're going to face those challenges and you know, we don't like to sit with those feelings to. So where's the point that we suppress or we repress those feelings because we don't like to feel like we're not in control, and I think that's that's what it really boils down to, a level of control of one's thoughts, a level of control over one's emotions. So really sitting with your emotions and allowing yourself to feel what you feel, seeking treatment if you do need that treatment, and then, of course, selfcare. Think that's another thing that I love. US struggle with is whole do we balunce caring for others and also caring for ourselves, and especially those people take a personal personalities and those people who always have to Ho, go, go, is very hard for them to find time for themselves, and I think that's what's really important, because it's in those times of just relux, of relaxing and spending quality time with oneself and treating oneself that you really discover who you truly are and you become one with what you're feeling and then you can make a move to address any issues that you're facing. So yeah, those are my my quick tips, I think, or anyone dealing with a mental each other. Yeah, but I mean as easy as it is for somebody that may be able to do some of these things. I know that, especially amongst our generation with twitter and social and instagram and all these other social medias, is so you put yourself over there and it's so easy to be ridiculed. But for something, and we're especially, I don't know, take this to the do to the male side of everything. Now we're yeah, a lot of males are tap tend to be seen as strong, and that's something that has been ingrained into our society where now, if if a man is not really a man, doesn't tend to show his feeling, but if he's is showing his feelings, seeming as week. So how do you get more men to come out and be braver, to really beef in tune with their emotions and their mental side, because it's so easy for people to be afraid to come out because they can be ridicute and feel afraid that they will be laughed at, and then they then struggle by themselves and have to have to deal with it by themselves. And I mean, as you said, that's not something that is seeing that this should be seen in strength. So, yeah, what what do you think? That more men could do to get over that hurdle, to ray come out and deal with it. Yeah, that's a very excellent question and it's something that still perplexes a lot of people. I say that this particular issue is multiposited and we need to go back in our history and really sit with our history and understand why do we think the way that we think. I think, certainly in a Caribbean context, a lot of us are afraid to discuss slavery because we think that slavery, when we talk about slavery, were going back instead of moving forward. I would say, quite contrary, we need to go back have a look at history so we can move forward. And some of this, this this issue comes from socialization. This issue is rooted in slavery, the perspectives that men were just tools, just moving from place to place. They were made to just impregnant women and to go into a field and work. That was the extent so what a man was, and so there was a need really to, you know, hold one's image and high regard and there was a need to prove oneself. Flash forward to the society that we live in today,...

...using the same twitter up, there a lot of females that I see that say that they prefer a man who is intact with their emotions. Yeah, it's a certain extent that's true, but then there are also a lot of females who don't like that. Or when they're the man that they like, their partner is going through a struggle and he approaches them, then they face the ridicule. And so we have this issue with a set of distrust, because the ladies are saying thing, but then when we do share with them, they're not as easy to receive. And that's not the case for everyone, but that is sometimes hold. The man thinks beyond that as well. Is this thing that I think a lot of men don't like to ask set is that we seek or approval from one another. Let's take the issue of health, for instance. Men Who do not go to get cross state checks because they're afraid that when they talk about cross the checks to another man that he will kill him and that there's some kind of link between going for a cross state check and one sexuality, which is really and truly not the case. Right. And so in that sense we do seek approval from one another and by, you know, acknowledging all of these things, then we can move forward to make means of hops address it. Number One is education. Right, a lot of us do not, you know, approve of things, are upset, things which we don't understand and, I think, overwhelming dust the problem that we face this as a society with mental health. We don't fully understand it and there's still a lot of things that we don't know, and so it's hard to discuss it and it's easier than to create a stigma surrounding it. So number one would be to educate people as much as possible. Number two is to get men to help men. Right when we realize and we have other men were stepping up and speaking about speaking oaks about mental health, and we have men going into jobs which are directly involved with mental health and they are therefore able to help other men cope if their mental health issues, that is also significant. And then the third thing is then sensitizing or community to this. The more education we have, the more people that are willing to share their their stories, the more legislation and policy that we have that that surrounds the issue of mental health, the easier is to discuss and what's we can have meaningful conversations of vote it. I do believe then we can change the whole trajectory of society in general and then particularly as well, men their approach. Yeah, I know, I I totally agree with everything you just said in terms, because it is something where that a lot of men do find find it very hard to then talk to other other people, about other men, especially their friends, male friends, body and then they don't have the braver, really courage, and then it's like you keep it in saying is that you suffering and suffering, suffer, and then trauma comes in, it impacts and later on in life. But I when I shift it on, because I want to be fair, you know, and lawn, I'll put all the focus onto men. And I know that females do have their own struggles and they do suffering stuff as well as just as much as men. Men Do do whether and I know that is known in a society where a lot of females and women have you know, it is known in history. Real women have worked their way to know, being in jobs, high jobs, I have works hard to get to where they are. And your love of sing up parents, single mothers are working two and three jobs at setter, and I know that that is something that impossible lot of people and a lot of women. Then if they do some of these similar options that a man may do, they also do get ridiculed for it as well, and it then impass them mentally as well. So then, as as you said, didn't, they distrust and there's no real empathy towards them for have doing the same thing that man would do. We're in a sense, they should just be equality ready. So for a woman that's,...

I say, a girl that's knowing in a university, that's not looking to really get all into the job, into the whole job world, but she's faced with parental issues and whatever is they ill, is she going to really go about getting that help? Because, I'm mean, it happens with with women as well. Then you hear it from time to time where different women, on different girls tend to be ridiculed by each other as well as as as well as men, for if they from if a woman is with one ors are two men, they end up being ridiculed for it as well, but a man is not going to be as ridiculed as much. So how how do we go about as a younger generation, know to change those society, those sets of norms really and truly keep question, and there are so many angles that we think we can talk about that problem as a society. But I do want to say this is that number one is always going to be education and advocacy. Right. We see this with much of the social movements that are happening today, in terms of race, in terms of feminism and and so on and so forth, really try to understand what is the roots of the issue and then trying to address it. The second thing is to know that one has the support of each other, and so that's the importance of forming communities, and for Lui, we started as a page, but we evolved in what we're thinking about is the community construct, where we want to get everybody involved and we want to get everyone's voices of hurt. The next thing is that I think when you get to that leadership position, consider where you were a couple of years ago. I think too often people raise up the ladder name take the ladder down and they forget that the issues that they faced when they were achieving upward mobility still exists, and so I think it's important for leaders, from the government right back down to private institutions, right down to the small business right down to the church. that the shock everybody. Is Important that everyone is involved in this conversation and is involved in making the society the best version of itself. The third thing I would say is knowing when one needs actual and you were alluding before about the parental issues, and that is a big problem in our society. There's this whole notion where people think that, you know, children or adolescence, teenagers even, they shouldn't have any issues. They don't pay village, as what you hear, so they should have issues. And what the thing is is that people think that when they say those kind of things, it creates in us a kind of, I don't know, a kind of complex to pursue independence and what they consider true strength. What they don't really understand is that when you say those kind of things, it damages one psyche and it creates a level of distrust. It creates a feeling that I cannot approach you to help. You're supposed to be my support system and you're telling me that I shouldn't have problems. Well, guess what, I do have a problem, but you're not going to be my solution, and that's a big problem, and so I think for sure we need to get parents involved on this conversation. We need to you know, dray form, that mental health is actually very important and we need to get guidance concerts, I think, as well to expand their per view. And I'm not sure about you, but when I was in school, you know, I didn't see the Nance concert that often, and that's possibly because there's only one and it's considered. Yeah, there's one for some reason, and so it's difficult to really get across a message about mental health or anything else. A goance colster supposed to do when she has to consul students or he has to consul students, as well as to generate and education and awareness about the topics. So I think there are...

...a lot of elements that we can correct as a society and a lot of ways that we can do this, but I think it all bowls down to education, awareness and also help, seeking a normal lazing assessing care. I bet you that if I ask the average of Beijian who do you go to for help with the mental health issue, they don't know right and that's a problem. We know that we call fight one one, where we want a lamblance. We know, we we call three one and we want the fire the fire station. Who Do we call when we have a mental health crisis? And I think that is when, when we reflect as a society, we need to understand that if something is that important, then we need to have an understanding and a level of awareness about to. I'm you just just spoke about who do we call really and truly that's something that was as on my in my head as I was just listening to you as speaking about it. And you spoke about education, educating people, whether it be ourselves or whether it be our parents. But for people, for people, whether it's our parents, whether it's us that are in early relationships or whatever it is with partners, etc. Is something that's known where people always say, you know, don't try to help or heal the other person that's in a relationship right and in. You should let them handle it and then come back because as as your part, the partner in the relationship, you're not there to fix that person. But I mean, it's just, it's just my opinion, where it's just simple as simply just listening to somebody for on their what they need to in a sense, as we say, vent their issues or anything that I can help somebody just get something. Oh, you know, as it is just talking to somebody, as you said. But for people that are any relationships, is it? Why is I mean that's just my opinion, but is it wise for somebody to be trying to in a sense, fixed their ment, somebody else's mental issues or their previous trauma, form an x relationship, any family issues or anything like? Is the relationship good enough to be up the person's safe haven, in a sense, to go and speak about it is? Is that something that should be made a weird to peep to each other? person's very, very good question, and an essential one at that. Support System is everything. Let's get that on the record right. The next thing is tracking and tracing history, again, tracing history generally. As a society, we have an issue atsetting help or seeking help. Let's understand that it is it goes both ways, and so this is as vital to the person giving the help as it is the person receiving the help. Right. It has to do with one's thought process, and that's the way I would always say it's always a good thing to be a friend with someone. Before you get into an intimate relationship with someone, even in, you know, just a friendly relationship, just freends, just talking, you need to understand hope is that person show that they need help and what type of help does that person need? It's also a good idea not to walk into a situation professing what you think that person needs. Right. First thing that the person is going to think we do that when you come into it with this kind of fixed it mentality or fix me mentality, is going to start to evolve into a therapeutic relationship. What does the therapeutic relationship look like? Well, I'm your doctor, I'm telling you what to do, I'm giving you the therapy for what you need to do and you may not have a say in it, and you're supposed to just upset that and son enough, that person is going to get further and further away from you...

...and they'll go to you as often as they go to their doctor. So they'll come and see you three times a year, right, and that's the kind of relationship that you have. That's not what we want, right. And so what even in healthcare, even in medicine, know what we're looking more towards is a more patient, centered model, and that's a show you that even a therapy relationship is evolving right, where the person tells you what are their needs, what are their concerns, and so even in friendships, then, what does that look like? It looks like having a legitimate conversation. If you see someone is having or showing signs of depression or or sadness chronically, for example, it's okay to go and ask that person, Hey, I noticed you're a bit under the weather. Can I do anything for you? And certainly people will say no. Most of the time they'll say no, I'm buying, I'm managing it. That's fine. A couple days past you notice the same thing. Hey, just letting you know I'm here for you. That's all people really need sometings, right. It's not that you're going to be the end all, you're gonna have all the solutions for them. Sometimes, as you mentioned before, it's just good to sit there and listen to someone. So No, I wouldn't recommend going to a relationship with a fix it mentality. I also wouldn't recommend allowing someone to use you as their crutch. Neither should you present yourself as a crutch to someone. Yeah, you don't want to go in to a relationship where you are constantly fixing someone. That's not to say that you don't render assistance and you don't care about the person, you don't show them empathy. That's all well and good, but you're not a therapist, you're not a counselor. Yes, you can be there to help someone along the way, help them with their challenges, but what we don't want is that that relationship involved into a therapy relationship, because then not only will they feel that if they have to depend on you and then they start pulling themselves away, but you will also feel like you're giving, giving, giving to this relationship and you're not receiving anything in return. And I think that's where the prods of the issue actually is, is that, you know, it becomes a one way issue instead of a two way communication, especially, as you just said, in terms of education. Going back to that again, know, how do we as because we have the Internet out in our fingertips. Essentially, we can search for anything and even if you can necessary speak to somebody, body, we have the Internet to go and look for any out of vice or anything like that. So how do we, as a younger generation, and and even the government and our parents? How do we educate ourselves one and how does the government help to make more people aware of the importance of mental health, and how do we go about, like making that change? I mean, I saw you at the you report, right, I import right, with as as a as a bunch of like influencers. So as well, how do influencers also help, because that mean that allot people tend to look to the celebrities, the influencers, for any added guidance in a science, but it's not already guidance. Where as they are as where is they influence you in a sense? Yeah, so how can they also be contributors to educating us to know, I'm value, the importance of mental health? An absolutely great question, because this is something that we need to move forward. I would like to start the government, because I think it's very important that a government legitimizes this movement. I think first of all, for people to appreciate that mental health is a legitimate concern, they must have the statistics to go with it. I think a problem that we face in the Caribbean overwhelmingly, is that we do not have good use or good access just to statistics. I think often you would know from going to do redoing research for certain subjects school,...

...when you go onto Google and you type in something, the first thing you're going to see is American statistics. Then you'll see Europe and perhaps you'll see a European assessment of the Caribbean for a remove right, or you see sometists from all the way back in one thousand nine hundred and eighty which are probably not relevant to today. That's kind I'm or one legitimizing the issue by having statistics and, you know, records there for people to access. The thing that we can do is to evolve the the the product in terms of schools, at secondary schools, at primary schools, at tertiary level. We need to have more guidance conselors. We need to expand the preview of UPDDANCE concers. We need to have topics of subjects about how way approach studying, holdway approach test anxiety, because these are real, real things that people are dealing with. From there we can expand to community centers and churches and so on and so forth, having this discussion so everyone is on board, launch a campaign, launch a post their competition, launch a scholarship, whatever it takes to get the message out. That's how we get it into our schools. Then, especially at our tertiary level institutions, we need to build up access to to to mental health services. I think they're they're people who complain all the time at the main university in Barbados that they, you know, they want to see someone but the system is overwhelmed, or that they only have a few people managing for so many students. So we need to have a good ratio and that made me incentivizing people to get involving careers which are, you know, impacted or which deal with mental health. So, you know, more scholarships for people who want to study psychology, more rewards for that, a better track to move straight from university into an internship, into a job, those kind of things are absolutely essential. As for the everyday mind, for the the influencer, I think taking the time to go and do a little research. It may just be going on what your youtube video and maybe scrolling through our page get a little education because, realistically, all we're not creating new content. Okay, we're not doing intensive research and and clinical studies and those kind of things to get information. No, we're going online, we're doing our research and we're repackaging it to let everybody else know what this is all about and making it, you know, a better kind of pocket and I think that comes down to communication. It comes down to understanding the audience. And when you understand that those between it is a one fifteen to twenty four or the highest or at the highest risk of dying by suicide or or attempting suicide, then you start to understand that this is the real target group. And it makes sense because if we can impot people from such a young age, then they become their own influencers. Then they start to, you know, pay attention to mental health and they'll take it seriously for their lifetime. They'll pass it on to future generations. So I think if we start with the young people hold the influence and both we host competitions, how do we packaging information in a palatable and engaging on next citing way? Then we can, you know, have serious discussions about mental health and make significant problems. Yeah, and I mean you, you mentioned it. I was well, I was thinking more up. No, by I mean you mentioned it and it came to my head, especially because, I mean that was something that I spoke about in a previous episode with messed up way we're. As you said, there's test anxiety and know that's something that people face a lot. I mean, my main audience is not. My audience is technically a better room, my age, a bit younger and going up, but it's not many people that that ray understand by know, I know people in Barb with this cold depth definitely understand when I say that when eleven...

...year olds go into that room for a common enters exam, they're going a level, but then they come out not achieving what they can achieve. Yeah, and then they fall short and feel very disappointed and that sets them back a tremendously because then they don't go to the school that they desire. And I mean that can happen, especially especially with Kate and the importance that is really put on too capers and sex's and then it's if you for persons that get past those. You didn't see that. Okay, I mean it was important, but it wasn't as important as we really looked at. I put the emphasis on and it your your life is not necessarily depend on the father that we just have to look in a book, revise study, going to go into an exam room and and that pressure. I think it's important. And so, in a sense, how do we really get to target those people, especially in whether it be even as young as eleven plus, you know, to to get over that hurdle, to camp them down count not people before they go into an exam, because I mean for myself, I know that, at least I before going to exam is it's about praying and whatever it is. But for people that aren't as religious as that, how do they get over that hurdle, you know, to go into an exam, to be to be calm and to be easy? I know that everything can be okay and that I can get over this and it's just about doing your best. So how do we yea target that group? You know, the first thing, I think, is to call it what it is. Sorry, I think you probable therefore set. Oh, call it what it is. You said, yeah, it is, yeah, number one of them. Call it what it is. It's sounds laty right. I think we have a problem with submantics and definitions in our society where we think that if we call something what it is then that legits and laces it, and then it makes it seem as if we have a problem, not that we just have a problem, but something is wrong, or deadly wrong with us. No, yeah, you have anxiety. Call it what it is. Let's figure out who we can address it right. And so you know, Test Asia is something. It's not the normal worry or nervousness that you get when you're going into an exam or Statius. Is An overwhelming anxiety that you can feel and it can trace back as early as when one is first learning the material. Just the thought of you having to apply that material to an exam can create level of anxiety for some people. That could be triggered the moment of the exam, it could be triggered two weeks before, it could be triggered months before. So that's an important thing to understand. And the next thing is to understand one of the symptoms. And so a jenerally anxiety presents by an overwhelming feeling of fear and worried and then the symptoms are accorded to an overactivation of one sympathetic nervous system and one's fear reflex, if you can call it that. So you get increased heart rate, your eyes are piercing, you may start to sweat, you may get short of breath, you may feel like the room is closing in on you, you feel that you just can't control yourself. So, for someone who deals with this, who've noticed this before, who ask corneity in the moments, what do you want to do? First of all, remove yourself from stressful people. On the day, on an exam, I don't sit next to friends, I don't sit next to people who I know are stressed though as I am, and I don't like to speak to people who want to ask me last minute questions before the exam under lads me. So you know, Holl theway countrevent that I get there early if I can, and I want to be one of the first people to probably get in the room. For other people, they may want to be one of the last people in the room because sitting...

...there actually contributes to their anxiety. That's one thing. The next thing is to take a breath. Right a lot of US underestimate the poor of oxygen blood is in your body for take of transporting oxygen everywhere and for transporting nutrients. Oxygen keeps you alife. Oxygen actually gives you energy. Okay, when you take a breath, a deep breath, you just take that moment to take, you know, four seconds of a deep breath and hold it and then release it. You're getting oxygen to the front of your brain, your prefrontal Cortex, and there is where you can get rational thought. So when you take that deep breath, you can be able to, you know, regain control of the situation and that should we think, okay, I can bring myself back to a place of calm. Yeah, and then beyond that, if you do not feel prepared for an exam, don't take it, okay, especially if there's an option to, you know, take a completion exam or something. If you're feeling overwhelmed and you really really are not great to do this at Xam, then find a means where, I guess you you can't take it, take a medical excuse or whatever and help for that issue, okay, because, as I say, something that we can treat. Yeah, and beyond that, you know, from a global perspect active off of that that topic, that that sentence rather about anxiety day, something that we can treat. Actually going to get help before this actually becomes a major, major issue. So it may be going to see a therapist it, maybe they teach you some techniques to overcome it. Maybe, you know, then giving you some kind of, you know, tablet, her drug that you can take moments before an overwhelmingly anxious time. And then beyond that, I think it's just, you know, just educating one Sol and, you know, preparing as best as possible for itself. A lot of the anxiety and where it comes from not being properly prepared or one feeling that you have have it done enough. So if you do enough, then that's one less thing that you have to worry about. Yeah, well, I mean, David, I mean was interesting chat. I mean I hope that I can get this video out to as many, many people. I know that people tend to listen from all across the world, so I mean that's that's them. But I mean I really want to see if I can get this video, this video and episode charted to Beijings especially, you know, because I know that that's that's a topic that happens. I see a lot on Beijing twitter especially. So I mean that I do think that's something that's really important. Monks, US as a generation in Barbados. So mean, once again me I say thank you for joining me on this way sad podcast episode. I mean, it was absolute pleasure to speak to you about this comy, something that's very important. I think it's a should be valued a lot more and guys go and follow less of pocket. That will be all in the description down below. If there's any other thing that you want to say quickly, I mean you can right now. Yeah, so I just want to say a pip if I thank you so much for, you know, having this discussion. Is Very important for us to do these kind of things that have this kind of composition, especially as young people, because we're the target audience. So where the people who try to make a change, where the people who can lobby government to intertual policies and where the influencers of our generation. So I'm very thankful to have you on board this movement to see the importance of mental health and I look forward to all the good things that will come as a result. Thank you. Well, yeah, thank you again, David, and me as a side, guys go has going to follow. That's some pockets on. It's only on Instagram or Z on twit as well. We're on Instagram, on facebook and we'll be facebook, website and podcast, very, very so. Yeah, so look for all those guys. Follow Their Instagram, follow your face will they will be all in the description down below and subscribe. If you are new as well, hit by ICON. And thank you, guys once again. If you are listening,...

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