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WHERE DO YOUTH STAND ON SEGREGATION IN BARBADOS | WUH YUH SAY PODCAST

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Well, first of all, welcome to the ways a podcast. I first all the other just mentioned to you guys. Both of you guys are what all of you, all of us, went to us in college. and well, Cindy, you're from your report and mentioned in a previous episode. You guys deal with a lot of youth topics and a lot of the discussions that I all deal with, this stats and so on, so on. And Jam are, you have your own show called secretly insightful talk, which I mean I've been you're in every more every time I can, and you how you do with a lot of serious topics, and I figured that both you report and what you do would be adequate for the discussion that I'm gonna Bring up for today, which I both told you book guys are both of route, which is Syriah segregation in Barbados, and I figured that, since both all of us at least deal with some sort of youth genre in what we do, that is something that we do see amongst youth as well. So, first of all, I mean because they're a lot of sub topics, that they are when they're you talking about and dealing with segregation. But what do you think it will first of all, do you think that something that is involved in Barbados and do you see it just only here or do you see all overseas? Do you see as a pop full here? So I guess who wants to go first. Good music. Segregation, like you said, is a very complex frasue. Yeah, it feels it covers a lot of things and it appears in a bunch of different ways and I think in a context like Barbados, where you have the majority population is just people of color, it presents differently than somewhere say late in Europe or America, where people of color actually in the minority. But yes, I do see segregation in Barbados and yeah, overseas, but they do present a little differently. To me, my feelings are along the seal lines. But obviously, given that I've done a lot of traveling in Joe the arm with sport and stuff, I've been able to see a lot in in Caribbean and see holding in in Guyana, for example. You all have the the Indians on the blocks on the you know, there's a lot of different describacys of stuffing with the CARIB member and grasping the things jood, the world's segregation is a huge dealing in know, initially when it came to you, when you came to me. Sorry, you want to be issue. I want an issue on they were specifying Rais and right as I was looking at class as well classes of my stuff at out. Obviously, for the most part we still think we could still look at classes of my rais going hand in hand because obviously is he wait, you know I'm wrong. People. You will assume that there are in a certain class and you know, and that is very evident in the Caribbean and Barbados and your world and in still will continue the off for well, it comes. You know, hopefully things would change, but there's a lot of we can discuss here today. Yeah, well, before I even do get to the what you both, but both you think about how we can go forward. I know that, as it was discussing in a certain class this week, or we already before that, we in Barbados see segregation of law from as early as common entrants. A lot of people...

...may not see it like that, but it really is, because we are read dance tape separating a lot of children from WHO's brighter and who's not, and we all put a lot of impact and an appearance put a lot of pressure on children from such a young age just to get to one school and the see people some this following or fall short just in one exam, but it may do it well of throughout the course their previous school life. So let me start there with both you guys. You yourselves, do you think that that's something that you saw personally? Had they would impart you, because, I mean we ended up all that what is known as what the top tier or the higher ar key of schools in Barbados. But do you think that that's something that should be like removed? Where you you don't see that anymore because they know that's a tough amongst a lot of Barbadians. Know is should they be removal of the conventrics? I much feelings the was govern in drinks. No, I understand completely the issue of your segregation and stuff like. I I definitely understand on them. The obviously leave my house and causing going to be to see and know ie and you know I could see a time things change on stuff, but maybe starts you play the common interests. My question is not be the alternative for that and then for people say, you know just it's a term in schools, business owning world, but three of us wore that within the wars of hours on college. There's a certain level that you have to meet, regardless of what the thing. You know you come to the school. Obviously I spent a perform performance or away. Certain teachers are going that way. I remember multiple tersteer saying you are some college and you can, you know, make this quintior. Can this level? No, I would not put a student who who has passed for a CO uncle law school in that environment to then get cut, though I have their less cart one of them, and not be able to prosper in the future. Know, the conventials itself at that particularly is eleven ten level. It does create a particulocal issue for children because it does see themselves as as proper or as good when they pass for what we can said that lesser school obvious. Obviously for your us, our COMMUN agents, we would be most happy room, when happiest in the room because, you know, we get selves if you good, you know, after down craft the street, and we feel Fantas in doing that. We can be seen as one of you upple in upper ash won. For those who have gone to a low school. Now I feel like using that result as motivation can make you better in knowing, because as much as you might have been seen as being better at that point in any way, at an eleven, as you said, is only one exactly. It can make you or break, but the way your approachet and you made it, you move forward would really determine the value have any world are large, because as much as you going to this school or that school is really what you went to do to the world in in, you know. I mean. So I've come, as I said, I king up owers and college again, the BUCC I've how people that have been from CP. I've come in seeing our classes. Me It's still doing. They're doing just a lot of better and I make it moves, they don't they you know, the fall to yours anything and I don't know. Late might have my feelings on the college, but it's saying, I don't know. Everybody knows I different speed, you know. So it's a lot to...

...look at, but in grasping the things, it's ready for you handle the situation and use it. And I must say people are sorry ever talking to me, but people that people that have gone to low school. You know, we take to them blasted. People go to the high school because they're like what you feel, whatever, what we yours because still from the right. Like I said, we know see, I don't particularly I know one or two that who will laugh and or event to discol as football. I don't forget that is rapid road personal college. I should see it, because we don't have somebody will know happening as I can said that that's happen to ours. But people slay the part in college, tend to the ignorant of what is optionally happening in industry. Or we think of ourselves a better one without thousand the kids. It's a school that's around to school, but at the same time, know, give me a certain standard. We've been privilege enough to follow on four steps of great people. You know a lot of how you know ranking officials? I know. So I don't know. The common entrance is a lot to look at to pick up part, but segregation in that saints, is definitely something our range. True on you, I can't think it is very much there. Well, okay, yeah, and it's not stodible that. So seeing that you guys Cindy, are you report these a lot of stats and stuff? Is that something that you guys could look into to make people more aware of, to cause even even mind you, I guess. I mean because we, as you said, we all enter at and courge. So we know even within the walls of hearts and college there is sex segregation and we will see, you see it. And so how can you guys, are you report, Cindy, make that little bit more clear for a lot of people, to cut down on that, to make people be able to bond and be together as opposed to just separating even at the highest level? Well, I want to start by saying that that common entrance is a is late is, like you mar said, a lot to pass and I think the problem of segregation within the realm of common entrance is an attitude thing. Is Very much an attitude thing, and I say that because when you look at what common entrance is, it is essentially a ranking system of writers to less less break, so to speak. And because of that, because of that mindset, it creates Issy, it creates a separation, it creates a hierarchy of that that is not productive. Now, if we were to lay I don't really have. Theoretically speaking, because I kind of sort of understand the theory of common entrance. Theoretically speaking, it's supposed to sort students into schools based on what their attitude is. So if I'm more apt to do something as technical, I might end up at a school that is I'm supposed to end up out of school that is more technically inclined or more capable of pointing my technical skills. But the problem is that we've become ingrained in this school of thought that there is a school that is bright, it's hot school because of academic prowess, and a low school because they don't focus as much on academics, where, like drew Mar said, is so important that at the end of the day, it comes down to what you bring to the table and what you what your contribution to the world is. And the world needs academic minds like doctors and lawyers, that's true, but it also needs people to do plumbing, people to do Mason work, etc. Etc. ETC, and every job. In that sense it's important, but because we've thought for so long that is about academics or is about being in hype, being professions or hyprestage professions, then we've come...

...down to segregating it in, you know, bright to not so bright, and then when it comes to your report, it becomes a task for us to then show people that you said what what they the rationale for common in something like common entrance should be or would be, and ascertain what those attitudes are right now. Because, like that you said, we beavent to what is considered the top school in the island, but it is talked to. It's the top school by one version of the ranking. There's so many different things you can rank school based on. If it is the top sport his school, that might be a different school. If I'm really the top school for Performing Arts, that might be a different school. Technical Education and same thing. So using tools that you report is really to figure out what the mindset of young people is towards what is going on within the school and, let you said, gathering ideas of young people, because that's that's where that's where you report shames. We're supposed to gather the ideas and the thoughts of young people and then, because we're back by something like Yunisa, use those ideas to inform policy, to inform the Ministry of Education. Look, Hey, this is how people view common entrance. This is how young people view common entrance. This is what you're doing to young people with the concept that common entrance is currently built on. How do we then address that concept? I make it better or, for you know, subvert it entirely and create something new that is more conducive to students confidence in themselves? Well, I mean rightly so. I mean and I do imagine that that would be quite a task, at least for you guys, because they're a number of secondary schools and to get all these thoughts of that would be all each other. Yeah, it would be. But I want to actually come back to what you're speaking about especially and bring up the actually the race off it, as you were talking about, Jim more, and I mean I know it's not only for us, but I know this is a saying where you have like a more more of a white school and a more of a block school and more get too school and all of that right, and you could even argue to say that that those things are associated with these these college scholars. He's in, Michael, right. But when it comes to race, in between those schools, you talked to the those the white people, and the white wool. Blame with you, black people and what and so on and so on. And, as you rightfully said, as you get to be censue, those things tend to diminishing. You know, did disappear, right, but everybody's anybody, everybody's history. You don't carry you knocking, knock his shoulders at where? Everybody else, but at that secondary school level and premary school level, hole in potful, is it? Because, I mean just last year, we know so. We saw with the whole black eyes matter thing and everything with race. That was a big thing. So a lot of people were even saying that, oh, there's not racism in Barbadis, whoever it is, but that is segregation as well. So where were do you guys see that? In our schools and outside of schools, especially with segregation of race in Barbados? Okay, okay, prime reader, secondary right. I think that, depending on where you put your shown, it brings a sort of in said right. No, for the black void block shows what I would privilege enough to be able to go to a want of private...

...schools. Py you know, so in the F as well, will up from their problem as well. You might be able to. Well, sorry, not, might be able to do your place in a position where you are interactive with, you know, wait, individuals pay wrongs, people who money essentially to it. Really Reason, when you sat with yourself, that you don't want see a problem with the way people, you know, a ll right, let me say if weaking for this in a more appropriately were get care of you. Okay, so we will call a black person that spends most of his play with the way mine, Oreo, simply because he is blacking in said ASP, weight Backu Saster. That's what that money set is, not because he wants that for himself, because that's what he knows. Naturally, no, when you see that is mother come you'll hear those people, those black individuals, unless they how, you know, moved on from that point. The will argue that, oh, all these matter are you remember, there was a whole thing that people not understanding what they say. They because of that live matter was and then trying to see, oh well, you wait, mom laves my wait, my lave mothers. That's my point. Like at this point in time, there's a movement, there's a certain understanding. Black Lads are being disrespect they black people are being to inspected. Black people are being put in a position where we cannot feel it remain her variety of things is be going off for a long time and sevil rights more alp we had a whole problem with that for the White Man. Know is like then much wanted to see. But they argue we have Barbados, this is a primarily black country. You feel like we've being around block will not long enough. Who are you to call me racist, or who you to call me? You know they are suppressor whatever. No, not to get carried of you, but I feel like a primary schools, in secondary schools you can't really stop the function of what the schools have going over, you know, in terms of secondary schools alone. You know, if I one point, you would be hearing a smis of the place where what people and the Public School for wh people and they bombs it does where they would feel comfortable. I was rearmost of them would be while we werever then. Obviously you see how some coologs and Queens College, and you know that's a hierarchy because the hypeos of what people will let their students. We at Invest School regardless. I don't believe that there is necessarily an issue with what it's not coppny as up to day with the read that some of the more modern teenagers and stuff. Think a few of them you know about apples whatever. But at the same time I think we're making a slight change introductory trajectory. Where they where? We don't see that. There's a level of understanding. There's a level of about sectors and stuff. I don't know that answer their question, but I think that we're making a move. No, at least what I seeing since we last, but don't have things have changed in sensory last don't but from what we had I think that we had a certain a certain sense of unity. Are Some college the most of the people. There's a certain sense of understanding throughout the school. It wasn't really a lot of that. I don't know e earriers out to tell me, but in...

...my year there was a different voy. There wasn't really any savigation and it was at any well in mind set that the people would have had the black individus. I would have had that that started out of priect school and the way people that they're brought to her some college. Few of them have changed fundamentally for what they were in the beginning when they can't are some college. They saw themselves as accepted on one of the white people as one and that pro and they still continue to that. Very few of them have changed pass from then to know and they will continue that. That's and that is we when that's re build your fundamentals, approbase. That's really it. It's very, very very people change the weird that they carry out their lives and really practice every day activities and really live based on, you know, things that the experience to any question there, especially if you have more, especially if you're able to, you know, do as the others do, want to do as whatever you can do more, got vehicles. But how all this? You have? All that, you have it. So is they you feel more accepted in the prog where other people have it, whereas it's very lucky that you come into a block ord and actually find a very specific but black group. I you could find the black people have all these things you have as well. You know, I mean. So I don't know. I guess it's really a psychological thing. Is is a nurtural thing as well. So I can't fall a black mane that has been in that particular society. But in really does, but at the same thing, I don't know. It's really just as a social name. I'm glad that you actually said would you more, because they you actually just mentioned it, because it was something that I did not let purposely did not tell you both about it, because I know that both all fes terres in collation and know that that, as they just said, reader, that there's segregation are some college itself, and I you I noticed it from watching your year, your graduation, your graduate graduating class, especially Cindy. You have to tell me, because I have very little memory of Fabian and your year or say, but when it comes to this is then leads into my topic. This segregation a gender level, and I'll ask you. This was especially Cindy, because in my year it was love of segregation, not a monstly boys, because, and I guess you you could, you could vote for this is world, you mare, because I mean the boys from your year as well. The boys tend to stay stick together. I'm play football, the e wrote, tennis, whoever is, but there's a lot of segregation amongst the girls in our year, and I mean he's doing segregation as well, because they were different groups and that really ultimately affected or or graduating class, and we were affected by a lot in terms of our graduation plans and ceter etc. I mean you could hear stories. I know if you heard stories will or year, whever is you morerow but what are two right, you know? So, Cydy, I you could talk to me. Why is it that you think that there's a lot of segregation at the general level, with women especially, and you always hear as well on social media where they say that women bring no women and not really lifting women out and to such. So why is it that that is somebody has more common with women? Why that? See, it's circut it's such a do'sn't such an international question because so much stuff plays into that, you know, and my in my experience, because I went to a private primary school that was majority black, I don't think I had any I don't think I had any way people in my year actually in primary...

...school. So there was a lot of stuff. First of all, going to public seconary school was a with threw me for a lout because I was like, don't know, biggest class I ever had with twenty people and I was my graduating class and stuff like that. Primary School but you're right in saying that it seems like a lot more happens. A lot more segregation kind of happens with with the the girls, and I'm not entirely sure where that is. I feel like I have always been kind of audit oddly, oddly out of step with pretty much everybody my age. So like I had a lot of time to sit down and I'm really like observe what was going on in my year and stuff like that. And you're right. The the guys is played to get it indiscriminately. Go to get it indiscriminately. Don't really matter Wi you look like. It's just lately it's friends be cool. But but I think there's there's like this this theory, and I don't know the academic basis for it off the top of my head, but there's a way in which women are supportedly more conservative than our men. Not sure why that is and not sure what what. Like I said, what the academic basis for that is, but the whole concept of it is like along lines of Wad you are said. If you went to school that was majority white, for you're a person or a girl of color and you have a friend core, but it's an you can that you carry into high school, Secondary School, then it's likely that you're going to kind of stick to your guns because that's what you know. The guys somehow always seem to lay branch out because they everybody's do the same things. Girls kind of like, okay, well, I do ballet, these people are in my body class, so I'm going to stick with you, buy my body class because I know his La. It's like, if it an't broke, don't fix it. And in my ear, I think, I feel like there was segregation in my ear in terms of like like racial segregation as well. I think it might have been a bit more pronounced than I had seen from other years, like even years above me and stuff like that. I'm not sure what years we know, only I would had some, but it was like they were fairly visceral markers of separation, like there was a group of like all the non people of color students can of just had their own thing going on and, you know, every known again somebody would. A person of color like me. I passed through, but it was it was not a case we were like super involved in their lays or anything like that. Is like a lot of us. Then they go to their ballet recitals or, you know, late their beach hangouts or whatever it was. It was just and it was just a thing that happened like it wasn't because we're actively making an effort to separate. Is just that's what we were accustomed to and that's what they kept doing. Okay, and I mean as much as we you could look at the positive and negative. Was a sagregation both of your would you say that, especially at well, because we know that there is the issues with comminentials, but at the secondary school and going forward, because it does disappear and diminished? Is it really that much of a negative? Because people do naturally will stick to with certain people and you will have friend groups, you will have these difference as people. You will not like everybody and everybody will not like you. So is it a negative thing? Before I do move on to another thing, I'm going to come back to it. Do you see it really as a negative or the policy at a secondary level and level? Really I'd have to argue that some at some points it becomes negative, especially when...

...you're getting into like the young adulthood of it all and job searching and stuff like that because if you look at our community here in Barbados, the way it works is that very often people of color will struggle to get where, to find work and people and white persons will not, or people who are later skinned will not, will not struggle nearly as much. Not to say that in a struggle for everybody, but it is more of a struggle for a black kid than a white kid or a highbrown kid, as we would say. So it becomes a problem somewhere. But at the same time I suppose it does kind of have positives, any sense that there's there's space given to us as people of color to really late sit down with our culture and they say, you know, and I work through it and navigate our identities without having I don't want to say like pollution, because that's that's like that's a bad I don't, I don't. I don't mean it in a bad way, but like outsiding. Yeah Right, Oh, yeah, great, I like, yeah, help, but say that women just think to be a little more compative to some extent. Right. Eight. No, it can have a lot to do with the way that not in I may can do it, because may can all. If I find many Mayer have done it many things for a little for realist reasons that I can never understand. But women, I think, a lot of the weight. Women. I think they just have look at different the different core values and stuff on a different weird that this live their lives and can Parson to do to the blocks. And then when you know, as as crucial will say, when it comes to things of planning and we are going to do certain things a certain way, one we not like it, the other way like it, you know, and I don't think that as necessary to issue. But I just find on maintained to just take care of the issue in a more balance with I guess it gets. I can say so women. I don't know. I guess they are women. Does want things we don't want to take. Not all. Some might want saying some specifically, I guess at that could call the issue. We Find Mint. It does well if I'M MED same way, but it just wine a little more main sorry, women tend to be a little more blows when it comes to certain things. I really think. I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen it said the Martins, but I don't live anywhere else. I cast swear or not it happens, that doesn't happen. Sorry, I don't mean definitely. Can't want to speak for barbeds. Yeah, I can be for our rest. Just find out. Women beings only mean just sometimes. It's just funny. It's so easy to cry on one of them. It's just I mean, just don't understand the sunmes is that I see on twitter. I see it, you know, where you could voice your beings on the situation for nothing like the frimulous things you know, and I don't know mine. Men Do it sometimes, but woman I will. Well, are you just a little bit? I don't know. That adds to the point. I late. I don't know that as you argue or not, but Oh, I go a little bit and say pages in general fairly combating, as it begins with. All Right, okay, yeah, let me get back because I want this. I want to talk about this for sure. So I see actually continue from here. I could guys just off off of camera because it's not whole.

I was just said, of whatever it is, but I didn't know. Let you go see. They is definitely that, as you were just about to get into. Is that Barbi. It is does tend to create on a lot of things, and I tend this to you look up countries and other countries in region. You hear them a lot more together. But barbarians especially do tend to be in love with segregated where you have people that would sup support their own friends and it's got a small business, they can support our small business. Thing is going to support next business. But it's only if you you doing really well are you happen to make it that you have your small business is not his nation. Way, then you doing well. But why is it that you know that barbarians are free, that segregated? Why are we crying on each other, not pulling each other up? So now I'll let you go as in the now you see I'm about. I'm about to flex of history muscles on this because, go ahead, a lot of reasons for segregation of any type and the intensity of the segregation in Barbados is can be like. The answers can be phoned in our history. Barbados is the only Caribbean island, of all the islands and Caribbean the only one that was colonized by one power for the entire tea of colonial colonialism. We were colonized uninterrupted by English right, the British, and then because we saw small even after emancipation, there was only so much, if anything at all, that the newly freed people could do. Its size the basket plantation, because all the land was use up pretty much. And because of that it means that we had a systematic yes, every everybody in the Caribbean had like a systematic dismantling of afrocentrism and and like of African identity and all that sort of stuff. Agreed, but we didn't have anywhere to run because we too small. We they have any way to run after the massipation because it's too small. And we had the same people cry. We don't Foo. Four hundred years, three hundred years, not a good at math. Don't don't shame. So because of that, and the reason that that segregation is is such a deep seated issue here in Barbaid, is the reason that we can really unite on, not an unless it's to create on somebody else who should know barbaidis because sorry for crapping on barbadoes, because I mean, like the only thing that you cannot do to all be Agians. The only thing you could do is, it seems so far to unite begions is to insult agents. They may just believe maybe hold on, you selt. In Barbados, the only barbadians get to do that. But we are that segregated because it has been so late. The level of Colonne, coloque colonization that we faced was so rampant, is so intense and so uninterrupted. So when we talk about stuff like why is this segregation this way, a white can't people in Barbados Rally for an issue? Why are there so many nasaers? Whether it is mesaing women crying on each other, whether it is the agent's fund, the COVID UPDATES, Cryandomia, whatever it is, why the case? Maybe is a lot of it can be found in our history. You know I'm saying. And we're at a point now, especially coming off of the black lives matter movement resparking, so to speak, and then the Nelson must fall movement last year. All of that puts us on this this trajectory, know, where we're even more separated. But it's, I think I'm more productive separation, simply because young people especially, because you look at how many young...

...people at the four friends, those movements, you would see that it's young people who are having these conversations. We're talking about segregation, who are trying to figure out white stuff is the way it is. We're trying to figure out how to affect productive change and actually build up Barbados, and it's more often than not, but not always, more often than not, older people, older generations, who are like this is the way things have always been, where we trying to change it. So when I say execution is an intersectional and complex issue, I mean we could go, let you said, we people on and on and on and on, and there's so many different facets of it that we can address. But all of it comes down to the sociohistorical contexts that Barbados comes out of. You Guy. You said that because that is the way I somewhat touched on in a previous episode. We're we're talking about parentsing where parents, sometimes, parents always say, and you know, if you guys have heard, is like Oh, you know done this way so and it should be that way, that we done this way and is no other new way to do it, and so sacial acets. But just start to move towards the end of this episode. Turn we doubt we dealt with class job with race, dealt with gender. So No, as you just rightfully said, is a lot of youth that are talking about it, and that's the whole basis of you report and you, Jamark, are getting the views on your secret and sightful talk. So how? No, you can we move forward? What? What are these solutions? How can we cut down on this? Because you do and you didn't find it that if be just aren't seeing change the up on left. You know, you're gone, you can't do it anymore. You leave all, guys and as it. But how can we know? How can we know, as youth bill back up Barbados, really, because what's going to be the solution? Sending must amuse your ass on, not just you are honest, meal. I needed here, y'all. We're both y'all. Have a say on it. So, yeah, now different solutions. Yeah, so, yeah, good. The the most broad and general version of that answer is, is young people continuous to lead the charge, because we are the people who are going to leave the country, who are going to keep the country running, who are going to inherit the country, and we want inherit a country that in faults and fault and nothingness. Right. So let you said, I'm involving your report and the the whole point of your report is to get the ideas and opinions of youth all in one place for policy makers. How do we affect change in the policies that are neo colonial, that are oppressive, that are suppressing or marginalizing groups of people in our society? These are the questions we need to start asking and we, as young as let's let's say, won't young people, so to speak, me to start late rallying our peers and saying, you know, this is a problem that we all have. How are we going to change it and how are we going to affect change? How we're going to make older people than us or people who don't believe listen? How were you going to make them change their minds? All that sort of stuff goes into to effect and change and is not, it's, by no stress of imagination, anything easy because if you look at a really great example is the the the commission now and statue. If you look at the history of trying to get us that you removed from Heroes Square here square, I think, was remained. I don't want gate role. I think Heroes Square was renamed to Hero Square in nineteen, the early s or something like that, right, and from couple years after independence, so...

...the late S, early S. politicians, artists like Gabby and ADJAC and all these people, the Committee for Commission for Pan African affairs, as my name the Pan Africanis in barbadoes, let's just call it, because I can't remember the name of it, David come strong. All these people were like, why is, why is this white man? There's white colonizer standing in what is supposed to be our Heroes Square. How do we reclaim spaces that we as as Barbadian people, have allowed to be polluted by colonial power? And that doesn't just mean removing statues. That means removing other symbols. That means addressing policies and laws that that don't account for the the rights of our people or don't acknowledge the rates of our people, because we still have so many, so many arcade laws that make like no sense in like a modern day contest for people of Color. How do we fashion the society into something we're into, one where the black people who make it or people of color who make up the majority, actually thriving and not struggling all the time. How do we address the issues for our working class or a poor people? All of this stuff, and the answer to it is that you is youth. Youth have been doing the work for ever. Obviously we don't need some older folks, some adults, your adults, so to speak, to kind of help us meander through the the minutia of it, logistics of it. But at the end of the day, we're the ones who are capable of make any change, who are willing to make me change and who have all the fight left in them to make me change. Hour was a good must. We share that. My feelings are not for you know, I personally all tics. For me, is where we las, you know, really based right now, boltism, right, I feel like the ignorance towards politics. Only reader young people approach politics as of today. It's so it's completely different from what it would have been, you know, whenever it was before us. As you said, all the four tend to stick with the guns and stick to what they're know and, you know, support our party until the day, you know, just the regular devil. A more from here to buy you. No. Younger people, they think, are more flexible, right we definitely not everybody's going to know, but that's why we have people in us that can educate, spreading word. We could. We could definitely balanced a level of you know, as you say, Lemi and see and seriousness and resonate with the Prow, the younger crows, so that the people, I don't know, understand the fundamentals of what was, i. What should be going forward right, so that change is ready on your hands of the young people. That is that something that we need to do. We need to make a move on obviously the order, for they're going to pass away, more going to be gone. So we have to take control. We have to set ourselves a standard where we are not like them. We need to play role, because the small no and say blp great already ever exists and all these things by the core of Barbaras. There's certain things...

...that we need, there's certain things I need to be done, there's certainly I need to change, and the only way to change it is not by quarling on twitter. I'm telling me a motley that she not doing a great thing, in other because already feel that, you know. Lastly, for minister, doing even help, because it's not so it's just the way that we approach things. When the real move for it, there's but no means. Should it be? LP Have Zeros to but you know, means to the BE LP have won nothing. That is not as genuine opinion as much as the money. Probably really the best one, the worst by minister that I have the opposition. That's how Chris Allace is work. Yeah, you need sets among must be a money is a great for minister. We share reason than I appreciated this car and patriciat their moving in. She has really put us on a pedestal right now, but really actruly there's that should not be. That should do me. So whatever point is the core of what I saying here right now is that we need to educate the apathetic role. You need a figure. It needs to fret the role. How to resonate with younger people. Had to let them move that we should just be saying all both parties are the same, so we can never get out in the school. That we should not be thinking out. It needs to be a way to figure out, you know, educate them, let them know we could change, we could do better. You could, we could move one up. You know. I mean we shouldn't be. I mean recently I met a star, sures, but we it was a class woman, probably a sporties whatever, obviously twenty twenty years doing as she telling the Cross, Oh the toaurus here thatcom here are missing what Barbarnis was in one thousand nine hundred and sixty. She's saying that we should not integration, normal, what we should not build up. It was baffle beyond my more because I said, went so you want a stopped back in the pass. There's a black a black woman, lost, lost, loss. I said to her what mighty not to about her for me, but I said her, mom, your real loss. You need to get yourself together. This is what they are thinking, is we? They're thinking they don't want see a change their cost. You really are other than lost, and this one. Listen, we need to change the fundamentals of the war, of what we have in barbers for normal. For that is true. YEA, as true. That was allays and Cindy was everything else I needed to say as whatever to be a much so and any that you said. It starts with educating the apathetic and it's it's I think it's two fold. Is Educated Apathetic and power to you. I think nice does, does the the track we're going along, because first of all, it's not going to change if people kind of stand any way of progress, but it's also not going to change if people don't know how to change it. So for yeah, correct, well, me, as as we really all discussed and said, there's so much more topics that we can go into. I mean the Sagrogation Barb it is could be at an ending. Yeah, but we don't have that much time. Yeah, you don't have that much time, but we could be going on to about six o'clock our past, you know, and this topic will continue to go on almost youth and old people in Contina for generational generations. But I will thank you both for joining me today on we say podcast. I will I will let your guys know that it was much appreciate to hear your your views and thoughts about the entire topic. Guys that are watching saying these. When you report her this, your report descriptions will be in the description as well. As you are show sickly and stickful talk. Go and check all them, because he just had one recently based on Maine and well or a lot. It's not a really interesting topics days. I'm so go and check...

...those though as well. Check you report to see when they update, recently, because I mean to just recently did. They had a pole that was up and they put some good stuff on instagram stories. So going look on at their page and follow them again. Thank you. There is anything else that you do need to promote? Dude, do do, go ahead now. I'm just saying. Might make that one. are both of you are. Come on, do a little show me one days and I will. I I think I'm going to start doing some lines on on we use on the instagrams or so if you could posture and voice of pain and or to you know, I really really I really grow you know, I love to hear different pains and different views and stuff. So I would definitely encourage you to come up see anything on one of the things I want to say is that you report is made up of, I will say, like young people, obviously, but we are all on the stir and committee. All of us are involved in our own beings of youth advocacy. So when you check out your report, make sure it's to check out all the people that are involved on the report team and the things that we are doing to try and affect change in our communities. We have people that are involved with disabilities and people that are involved with the homeless and other modernized groups, with any society, and people who are using their their passion and their advocacy and their activism and in some cases there are to help educate that you we were talking about. Help educate the youth, help help in power the use of their own voices. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you guys for joining me. Always say boadcaster. See you guys later. Yeah, another episode.

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